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  • May. 1st, 2008 at 3:17 PM
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I've come up with what I think is a pretty good question to frame the same-sex marriage debate:

Here is the case: Two men have entered into a relationship. It is a deep, abiding, loving, committed relationship which is strictly platonic. There is no sexual interaction between these people whatsoever. They have, however, "forsaken all others," choosing to remain completely celibate. They wish to marry in order to affirm their love for each other and for the very practical purpose of obtaining the 1,000+ rights and privileges accorded by civil marriage.

Would you support this union? If not, on what grounds would you oppose it?

That's sure to spin some heads. At the very least, it's sure to expose irrationality.

-pb

Comments

[info]royalphoenix wrote:
May. 1st, 2008 07:47 pm (UTC)
Probably not, because platonic love is different than romantic love, which is what the basis of martial love is stemmed. Or supposed to be. Most people would agree that two people getting married, just because they have platonic love, is not a good enough reason to get married. Since the fact of platonic love was stated, I'd have to say that I would not support it, unless we start changing our definition of what the basis of marriage is. So far in this society, it has been that when two people fall in love ie, meaning a romantic love, they can pursue marriage if it is right for them.
[info]pbagosy wrote:
May. 1st, 2008 08:06 pm (UTC)
Aha, but if the answer is "no" because platonic love is not enough to get married over, then the follow-up question is "so, you'd support denying a man and a woman in the same exact circumstances the right to marry?"

-pb
[info]royalphoenix wrote:
May. 1st, 2008 08:19 pm (UTC)
Yup.

Not a good enough reason to get married, it's more than likely going to fail, one party is going to cheat on the other when the other party eventually finds someone they ARE romantically/sexually attracted to. It's a lot of grey area. But like I said, a lot of it depends on what the social defnition of what marriage is supposed to be based on. Is it supposed to be based on romantic love, or not? I'm personally not going to deny anyone anything, but from that perspective, that's the argument. Furthermore, there is a law that protects this, that says a marriage can be dissolved if it is not consumated. It's Western tradition that a marriage is not yet recognized until it is consumated.
[info]leigh137 wrote:
May. 1st, 2008 08:35 pm (UTC)
Interestingly there was a letter into Tomato Nation (a blog I read) today about a situation similar to teh one you describe. Just instead of the couple cheating, they have an "open relationship" and now the woman wants out because she realized she is in love with her boyfriend and not her husband. Sars' advice was to get thee to a divorce lawyer and end the farce of a relationship.
Anyhoo, since marriages were rarely based on love, rather to cement political alliances between countries, or families, and were at times made without consent of either party actually getting married, I'd say who are we to decide what a marriage is now, given what it stemmed out of to begin with.
[info]kittenboo wrote:
May. 1st, 2008 08:07 pm (UTC)
great question!
[info]christianet wrote:
May. 1st, 2008 08:59 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't oppose this marriage whether it was same sex or no, because I do believe in "spiritual" marriages. The most touching story I ever covered as a young reporter was the marriage of an elderly couple in the Mercer County Geriatric Center. Both had been married, their spouses were dead, and they had found each other at the end of their lives, but wanted to be together legally until they died. He had a small pension that he wanted to make sure she would have. The love that shone in their faces every time they looked at each other makes me go all teary even now. And no, there would be no sex, for various medical reasons. They just wanted to be with each other. Who would be monstrous to deny them that? Everyone in that nursing home made sure that this couple had all the support they could wish for, and a nice little wedding ceremony and reception. It was lovely.
[info]aarik wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 02:52 am (UTC)
I only support gay marriage if both chicks are hot.
[info]ferretd wrote:
May. 2nd, 2008 10:31 pm (UTC)
Does "romantic" have to convey sex? Certainly there are plenty of m/f marriages that do not include sex (for whatever reason) and are considered perfectly legit.

If the hang up is on "platonic" what about simply "non-sexual"?

I like the people who throw back that if marriage is about being able to have kids that marriage for the sterile should also be illegal and you MUST have a kid within x # of years. But then that beats the Catholics who also say that you should except not being able to have kids if that's what God has mandated for your body...

Good Q.